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Hello Brook, hi Angus,

There are many things I’d like to respond to, as some familiarity with Schauberger’s work, and centripetal/centrifugal forces (BD practitioner), but first, thought you might be interested in Ernst Marti’s 2 books on the Etheric, with his careful, phenomenological & threefold depiction of the etheric, elements and physical forces. Lievegoed was another who understood these fprces very well.

I could also offer something about shorting out light bulbs until making a conscious connection, many years ago, if you are interested in how I understand that now.

But there is this segment in your conversation about thinking, POF, feeling and willing I’d like to jump into, as I see so often distinction needs …hmm, more.. to understand these other capacities, so they aren’t confused with mysticism or voluntarism. Maybe this is part of the underlying development called for if etheric machines are to be made and used for the good.

In feeling, there is at one level of development the self-relational astrality ( feeling). However, further along, there is a higher level of feeling which I’ll describe , where it is more a sensing-thinking of the object of perception, belonging to the object and context of object, itself, just as the inherent thought born of the inceptual will forces of that object, can be arrived at through pure thinking.

An analogy would be just as one could perceive a textural quality objectively to a banana skin.. smooth but also with a bit of tackiness, a pull, one can cognitively apprehend the feeling of a force, an etheric imprint, another’s emotional, thought or will state. For thinking ( and Steiner talks about this, maybe in the lecture Suprasensory Knowledge?, September 26, 1923), that thinking, living thinking, pure thinking, is only the first stage of cognition, which then deepens/morphs into this higher feeling, and then into a higher will (not the willful, self interested will).

My picture is consists of this (rough sketch) : thinking is a force in common with the growth force in plants, fueled by/of Light, it is metamorphic. In rising from the intellectual soul to consciousness soul we work in a process to liberate our etheric body from being only conscious of the physical. However , we cannot “read” in this etheric until the astral body develops the organs to do so. Of course this depends on the I. We rise to the higher ego pole of the consciousness soul, which is still not the higher I, but once that’s activated we work back through the older soul sheaths in reverse, the intellectual and sentient, and forge the path to our true I.. Spirit Self,Life Spirit,Spirit Man.

Hopefully you can sense this strangely but differently similar to the plant growing & withering. For when we return to the spiritual world, we lose thinking .

Our etheric body mostly dissolves, some becomes an extract for the future. In future, Steiner saw we will no longer possess ether bodies. Likewise with the astral sheath.

Our consciousness begins, after exiting Earth, with moral feeling, discernment for the beings and phenomena we encounter, including our karma, which is also what happens while alive on Earth, if entering the astral world consciously. Fill in with Guardians of the Threshold. Remember we spend the most time post Earth, in Kamaloka, working on our astral baggage, then have to leave that behind too, in order to progress the higher spheres into the spiritual world proper.

Are you aware that Steiner determined in an experiment with Ehrenfried Pfieffer, that we …humanity…were not morally developed enough (then, and certainly I’d say now) to create etheric machines? So this begs the question, have the opponents to Reich ,Tesla, Schauberger, etc., been guided out of wisdom by the benevolent beings , to save us from ourselves until we are sound and ready?

It also appears there are plenty of devices & technologies that work in the inverse of the Strader machine, so didn’t “someone” know enough of how these oscillations work beneficially, in order to make counter currents?

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